LEXINGTON, Neb. — Were the conversations about torture and killing between Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail real, or part of some strange fantasy?
That was a question raised often Thursday as a pair of young women who met the couple via the internet testified about group sex, selling stolen antiques, and their “sugar daddy” lifestyle with the pair.
One woman, Katie Brandle, told jurors that Trail told her that Boswell would “finish faster,” or orgasm, if Brandle cried out in pain while having rough sex with her.
Brandle, now 24, also said that in 2017, Boswell once talked during sex about cutting off someone’s arms and legs and ripping off their fingernails.
But later, when cross-examined by one of Boswell’s attorneys, Brandle said she didn’t take the “sex talk” seriously.
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“Not real, just
how someone enjoys sexual stuff, right?” asked the attorney, Todd Lancaster. “Right,” responded Brandle.
That’s the way it went at Boswell’s murder trial Thursday, as Brandle and another woman told of the weeks they spent with Boswell and Trail in the months before and after Sydney Loofe, a 24-year-old Lincoln Menards clerk, met up with the pair.
Boswell, a 26-year-old native of Leon, Iowa, is standing trial on charges of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder and improper disposal of human remains in the slaying and dismemberment of Loofe. Loofe disappeared on Nov. 15, 2017, after arranging a date with Boswell over the dating app Tinder.
That was the same way Brandle and the other woman, Anastasia Golyakova, said they met Boswell. But both, said they couldn’t tell if it was Boswell or Trail who was actually answering their Tinder and text messages.

Anastasia Golyakova, who now lives in California, testified Thursday that Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail had told her they could make $1 million by making a video of someone being tortured and killed. Questioning her is Todd Lancaster, Boswell's lead defense attorney.
Trail, Boswell’s 53-year-old boyfriend, was found guilty last year of first-degree murder in the death of Loofe. He testified at his trial that he accidentally choked Loofe to death during a sex role-playing game involving him and Boswell. He said they then dismembered and disposed of Loofe’s body because no one would believe an ex-convict who said it was an accident.
Boswell is not expected to testify at her trial, but the prosecution’s theory is that she “got off” sexually on talk of torture and killing, and that she and Trail — who talked of witchcraft and gaining powers via murder — had conspired for several months to lure a young woman to a gruesome death.
Golyakova, who now lives in California, said Boswell and Trail had told her that they could make a lot more money by making a video of the torture and murder of someone — more money than they were making from selling items stolen from antique malls.
How much money, asked one of the prosecutors, Mike Guinan of the Nebraska Attorney General’s Office.
“One million dollars,” Golyakova said.
The two women said they were paid an allowance, between $150 and $300 a week, as part of an arrangement to be taken care of by Trail and Boswell. In exchange, they were required to adhere strictly to several “rules” or face whipping, flogging or rough sex as punishment for disobedience.
Brandle said it hurt to undergo one of her punishments — anal sex with Boswell. As it was happening, Trail told her that Boswell got off on pain and that she should talk like it hurt bad. So she did, telling jurors that taking a punishment was just part of her role as a submissive.
But Brandle, who appeared to cry at times during 3½ hours of testimony, also said she was afraid of Trail. She said he once told her that he had killed 14 people and would “take care of” her and her family if she disobeyed.
Boswell also struck fear in her, Brandle said, when she asked her to kill a girl that had been stalking her. That request came a couple of days after Loofe went missing, and Brandle said Boswell had picked a date for the slaying, Nov. 19. It was described as a test of loyalty.
Under questioning by one of the prosecutors, Sandra Allen, Brandle said she took the command by Boswell seriously.
“I was scared,” she said. “I didn’t know what would happen if I said ‘no.’ ”
Later, though, Brandle said Trail told her that she had proven her loyalty in other ways and didn’t need to commit the slaying.
During one moment of Brandle’s testimony, Boswell — seated across the courtroom — appeared to very slightly shake her head “no” as Brandle searched for answers to attorneys’ questions. Boswell, who like everyone else in the courtroom was wearing a mask as a COVID-19 precaution, mostly stared ahead at the women as they testified.
Brandle, who met Boswell and Trail a couple of weeks before they met Loofe, described how she had accompanied them, and helped them, in the days after Loofe’s disappearance. They used Brandle’s bank card, for instance, several times to book rooms at motels in the week after Loofe went missing. And Brandle swapped cars with Trail.
But on Nov. 22, 2017, just after the trio had checked into a motel in Kearney, Brandle found a call from Lincoln police on her cellphone.
That prompted Trail to direct the group to leave immediately. Later, as they briefly drove west toward Colorado and then reversed course to Iowa, Brandle was told why they were fleeing. Boswell, Trail said, had been with a woman who had disappeared.
Brandle said she became very angry with Boswell, whom she considered her girlfriend and whom she referred to as “Cuddlebug” in texts.
Boswell tearfully explained that there was nothing sexual with the missing woman and that she hadn’t hurt the woman, Brandle testified.
After Brandle heard that her father was sick, she asked the pair to return her to Omaha.
“I wasn’t allowed to turn on my cellphone until I got to my house,” she said.
The two women — who never met each other or knew of Loofe — both expressed skepticism about Trail’s claim that he was a vampire with special powers and that Boswell was the “queen” witch. But they said they went along with it.
They both said an initial “rule” was that they remain nude at all times in the Wilber, Nebraska, apartment shared by Trail and Boswell. They said that rule eventually went away.
Golyakova, who graduated from high school in Lincoln, said she left the pair in October 2017 after finding a job to replace her “sugar daddy” allowance. She said her exit was scary because she had been threatened by both Boswell and Trail.
Often during her testimony, Golyakova answered that she couldn’t recall all the events of 2017.
“I paid three psychologists to forget,” she said.
Trail is scheduled to find out in December if he will be sentenced to death or life in prison. Boswell would face the possibility of the death penalty if found guilty of first-degree murder.
The trial, which was moved from Wilber because of publicity about the case, is expected to wrap up on Tuesday.
Photos: The trial of Bailey Boswell in the slaying of Sydney Loofe
Photos: The trial of Bailey Boswell in the slaying of Sydney Loofe
Boswell listens to opening statements

Bailey Boswell listens during opening statements in her first-degree murder trial on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Judge gives jury instructions

Saline County District Judge Vicky Johnson gives instructions to the jury at the start of Bailey Boswell's trial on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Prosecutor delivers opening statement

Nebraska Assistant Attorney General Sandra Allen delivers the prosecution's opening statement in Bailey Boswell's slaying trial on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Defense delivers opening statement

Todd Lancaster of the Nebraska Commission on Public Advocacy, Bailey Boswell's court-appointed attorney, gives his opening statement to the jury on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Counsel listen to prosecution's opening statement

Jeff Pickens, left, chief counsel for the Nebraska Commission on Public Advocacy, and Todd Lancaster, Bailey Boswell's court-appointed attorney, listen as Assistant Attorney General Sandra Allen delivers the opening statement for the prosecution on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Boswell, counsel listen to prosecution's opening statement

Bailey Boswell, left, and Jeff Pickens, the chief counsel for the Nebraska Commission on Public Advocacy, listen as Assistant Attorney General Sandra Allen delivers the opening statement for the prosecution Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
FBI agent, prosecutor talk during opening statements

FBI Special Agent Mike Maseth, left, and Assistant Attorney General Mike Guinan talk quietly as Bailey Boswell's attorney Todd Lancaster gives his opening statement at the start of Boswell's first-degree murder trial on Sept. 25.
Boswell listens to judge tell jury about charges

Defendant Bailey Boswell, right, listens as the judge tells the jury the charges against her on Sept. 25 at the Dawson County Courthouse.
Boswell listens to prosecution's opening statement

Bailey Boswell makes a note as she listens to Assistant Attorney General Sandra Allen deliver the opening statement for the prosecution on Sept. 25.
FBI agent, prosecutor listen as judge gives jury instructions

FBI Special Agent Mike Maseth, left, and Assistant Attorney General Mike Guinan listen as District Judge Vicky Johnson gives instructions to the jury at the start of Bailey Boswell's slaying trial on Sept. 25.
The apartment Boswell, Aubrey Trail rented in Wilber

Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail rented the basement apartment in this Wilber, Nebraska, home.
Former landlord testifies

Jennifer Koll, Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail's former landlord, testifies Sept. 29 at Boswell's first-degree murder trial. She lives above their basement apartment and she testified that the smell of bleach "was consuming the whole, entire upstairs of our house. I had to open up the doors and windows" on the day after Sydney Loofe went missing.
Former landlord testifies

Alan Koll, Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail's former landlord, testifies Sept. 29 at Boswell's first-degree murder trial.
Bleach bottles entered into evidence

Clorox bleach bottles were seized as evidence from Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail's apartment in Wilber, Nebraska. This photo was entered into evidence Sept. 29 in Boswell's first-degree murder trial.
Photo of Boswell living room entered into evidence

The fan in the living room of Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail's apartment was still running when investigators arrived. This photo was entered into evidence Sept. 29 at Boswell's first-degree murder trial.
Photo of Boswell living room entered into evidence

The fan in the living room of Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail's apartment was still running when investigators arrived. This photo was entered into evidence Sept. 29 at Boswell's first-degree murder trial.
Photo of Boswell, Trail entered into evidence

This photo of Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail, found at their Wilber, Nebraska, apartment, was submitted into evidence Sept. 29 in Boswell's first-degree murder trial.
Boswell wipes away tears

Bailey Boswell wipes away tears Oct. 1 as she listens to FBI Special Agent Eli McBride describe the discovery of Sydney Loofe's remains.
FBI agent testifies

FBI Special Agent Eli McBride testified Oct. 1 about discovering Sydney Loofe’s remains. He testified that search teams collected Loofe's remains wrapped in black plastic trash bags and scattered in roadside ditches in a rural area of Clay County, in south-central Nebraska
Sydney Loofe displays tattoo

Sydney Loofe shows the tattoo on her upper right arm in this photo taken at a tattoo parlor. Loofe's upper right arm was the initial body part found by searchers. The tattoo reads: “Everything will be wonderful someday.”
Boswell listens during trial

Bailey Boswell listens Oct. 1 at her first-degree murder trial at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Nebraska State Patrol lieutenant testifies

Nebraska State Patrol Lt. Lonnie Connelly testifies Oct. 2 about items he found when he retraced a route investigators suspect was taken by Bailey Boswell and her boyfriend, Aubrey Trail, in disposing of Sydney Loofe’s remains.
Forensic DNA analyst testifies

Mellissa Helligso, a forensic DNA analyst with the University of Nebraska Medical Center, testifies Oct. 2 during Bailey Boswell's trial at the Dawson County courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Boswell listens to testimony

Bailey Boswell listens Oct. 2 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska, as jurors heard more testimony about evidence collected from highway ditches after the discovery of Sydney Loofe’s body.
Lincoln police investigator testifies

Lincoln police investigator Robert Hurley, left, testifies Oct. 5 about cellphone data that he used to track the movement of Bailey Boswell's and Syndey Loofe's cellphones. Assistant Attorney General Mike Guinan is at right.
Home Depot employee testifies

Matthew Workman, a Home Depot asset protection manager, testifies Oct. 5 in Bailey Boswell's first-degree murder trial. On the monitor in the foreground is a receipt showing purchases made by Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell at a Home Depot in Lincoln, including a hacksaw and drop cloths.
Boswell listens in court

Bailey Boswell listens to testimony in court Oct. 5 at the Dawson County Courthouse in Lexington, Nebraska.
Hacksaw purchased by Lincoln police

This hacksaw was purchased by Lincoln Police Officer Chris Milisits as he recreated the purchases made by Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail as shown on receipts found during the investigation of Sydney Loofe's slaying.
Aubrey Trail watching Sydney Loofe at Menards

In this still image taken from surveillance video from the North 27th Street Menards in Lincoln, Aubrey Trail is seen looking over his shoulder at Sydney Loofe as she exits the building to go to the Menards guard shack. The video is time stamped 12:01 p.m. on Nov. 15, 2017, which is the last day Loofe was seen alive.
Witness says she now thinks Trail is a 'psychopath'

Ashley Hills told jurors about a "sugar daddy" lifestyle with Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell, who she said frequently spoke of torture and murder. She testified Oct. 7 that she now thinks Trail was a "psychopath." She's shown here with Trail, both holding copies of an agreement concerning Trail's use of her car.
Witness describes relationship with Boswell, Trail

Katie Brandle testifies Oct. 8 about the relationship she had with Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail. Questioning her is Sandra Allen, one of the prosecutors with the Nebraska Attorney General’s Office.
Boswell, witness check into motel

Bailey Boswell and Katie Brandle are shown checking into a motel in this photo taken from a security camera.
Witness describes talk of making, selling video of person being killed

Anastasia Golyakova, who now lives in California, testifies Oct. 8 that Bailey Boswell and Aubrey Trail had told her they could make $1 million by making a video of the torture and slaying of someone.
Boswell averts eyes as jurors see autopsy photos

Bailey Boswell mostly avoided looking at autopsy pictures of Sydney Loofe during testimony Oct. 9. After a break, she used a tissue to wipe around her eyes.
Forensic pathologist testifies about Loofe autopsy

Omaha forensic pathologist Dr. Michelle Elieff testified Oct. 9 about the autopsy done on the remains of Sydney Loofe.
Judge reviews the verdicts

Saline County District Judge Vicky Johnson looks over the jury's verdicts Wednesday at the Dawson County Courthouse. Bailey Boswell was convicted of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder and improper disposal of human remains in the slaying of Sydney Loofe.
Boswell reacts to guilty verdicts

Bailey Boswell bows her head Wednesday after the jury found her guilty of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder and improper disposal of human remains in the slaying of Sydney Loofe.
Boswell and one of her attorneys react to verdicts

Bailey Boswell and Jeff Pickens, the chief counsel for the Nebraska Commission on Public Advocacy, react Wednesday after the jury found her guilty of first-degree murder in the slaying of Sydney Loofe.
Defense offers a motion after the verdict

Todd Lancaster, standing, makes a motion to allow Bailey Boswell, second from left, to stay at the jail in Lexington until sentencing. She was convicted Wednesday of first-degree murder and other charges in the death of Sydney Loofe. Saline County District Judge Vicky Johnson, right, overruled the motion.